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How far can a Test only cycle get you?

#1
Or test only blast and cruise? Just curious. Because I never hear anyone talk about the simple cycles on here.
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#2
It can get you very far. Programming, consistency, diet, and intensity are usually leaving a lot more on the table for people gains wise than what gear they use. A lot of people use more gear as a crutch to cover up the other areas that are lacking.
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(11-11-2019, 12:31 AM)Trenstorm Wrote: It can get you very far. Programming, consistency, diet, and intensity are usually leaving a lot more on the table for people gains wise than what gear they use. A lot of people use more gear as a crutch to cover up the other areas that are lacking.

That’s good to know. I was running tren and it made me lose sleep, binge ate and depressed, which meant crap workouts. Bad responder i guess. I gained size and strength drastically no doubt but i was left like i could have done a lot better in the end. Figured I’ll stick to just test. And if i do tren again then to go 150mg a week max
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#4
My natty squat went from 517lbs to 620lbs at 198 on Test only. I just threw in some Anavar and next I plan on trying Tren. Sometimes less is more to be honest.
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#5
I agree with Trenstorm. You get lots of opinions here which is great and all, but there are so many guys on this board who run 2+grams a week on a blast, and it's just completely unnecessary and irresponsible. If they want to increase the risk for LVH then there's nothing we can do to stop it.

But yeah to answer the question, you can go very very far with a tight diet, good periodization, and appropriate intensity with test only
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#6
questions like this with non-quantifiable answers (far? a good distance. nowhere.) with many other variables involved (age, genetics, nutrition, rest/recovery/stress, 'drive' etc...) always make me wonder what answer OP expects.

just optimize all variables as much as you can (be arsed to), see where you get on test only, when the dosage gets to a point of diminishing returns (probably 750mg-1g) and/or you stop progressing, add a 2nd thing based on your goals.
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#7
@appropionate it's along the same lines as people asking what dudes were running when they see a picture of them. They attribute physique almost exclusively to gear and not genetics and integrity with nutrition/training. Obviously some compounds are notorious for one reason or the other, but at the end of the day genetics, nutrition, and training are going to be what determines your results.
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(11-11-2019, 01:25 PM)mdwilson2011 Wrote: I agree with Trenstorm. You get lots of opinions here which is great and all, but there are so many guys on this board who run 2+grams a week on a blast, and it's just completely unnecessary and irresponsible. If they want to increase the risk for LVH then there's nothing we can do to stop it.

But yeah to answer the question, you can go very very far with a tight diet, good periodization, and appropriate intensity with test only

Depends on what your goals are/where you are at.

If you're a professional, or soon to be, bodybuilder 2 grams a week isn't much. I read somewhere that Kai Greene CRUISES on over 2 grams a week of Test alone, it was somewhere along 3 or 4 grams a week.

Autopsies of bodybuilders have shown extremely elevated test levels upwards of 50,000+, which would put someone pinning 8-10 grams a week.

For the recreational lifter or someone who just wants to look aesthetic? Then yeah, that amount of gear is completely unwarranted and unnecessary.

But if your goal is to be at the pinnacle of bodybuilding or whatever, then you've got to outweight the costs vs. Reward.
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(11-11-2019, 03:30 PM)thallandchill Wrote:
(11-11-2019, 01:25 PM)mdwilson2011 Wrote: I agree with Trenstorm. You get lots of opinions here which is great and all, but there are so many guys on this board who run 2+grams a week on a blast, and it's just completely unnecessary and irresponsible. If they want to increase the risk for LVH then there's nothing we can do to stop it.

But yeah to answer the question, you can go very very far with a tight diet, good periodization, and appropriate intensity with test only

Depends on what your goals are/where you are at.

If you're a professional, or soon to be, bodybuilder 2 grams a week isn't much. I read somewhere that Kai Greene CRUISES on over 2 grams a week of Test alone, it was somewhere along 3 or 4 grams a week.

Autopsies of bodybuilders have shown extremely elevated test levels upwards of 50,000+, which would put someone pinning 8-10 grams a week.

For the recreational lifter or someone who just wants to look aesthetic? Then yeah, that amount of gear is completely unwarranted and unnecessary.

But if your goal is to be at the pinnacle of bodybuilding or whatever, then you've got to outweight the costs vs. Reward.

I would never want to look like that. More like Henry cavill from MoS or The Witcher. My diet and routine is on point but on tren I just can’t stick to it from side effects and the cravings it gives me.
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(11-11-2019, 03:36 PM)jxl2008 Wrote:
(11-11-2019, 03:30 PM)thallandchill Wrote:
(11-11-2019, 01:25 PM)mdwilson2011 Wrote: I agree with Trenstorm. You get lots of opinions here which is great and all, but there are so many guys on this board who run 2+grams a week on a blast, and it's just completely unnecessary and irresponsible. If they want to increase the risk for LVH then there's nothing we can do to stop it.

But yeah to answer the question, you can go very very far with a tight diet, good periodization, and appropriate intensity with test only

Depends on what your goals are/where you are at.

If you're a professional, or soon to be, bodybuilder 2 grams a week isn't much. I read somewhere that Kai Greene CRUISES on over 2 grams a week of Test alone, it was somewhere along 3 or 4 grams a week.

Autopsies of bodybuilders have shown extremely elevated test levels upwards of 50,000+, which would put someone pinning 8-10 grams a week.

For the recreational lifter or someone who just wants to look aesthetic? Then yeah, that amount of gear is completely unwarranted and unnecessary.

But if your goal is to be at the pinnacle of bodybuilding or whatever, then you've got to outweight the costs vs. Reward.

I would never want to look like that. More like Henry cavill from MoS or The Witcher. My diet and routine is on point but on tren I just can’t stick to it from side effects and the cravings it gives me.

Those physiques are entirely possible on testosterone alone with good training and an excellent diet. You don't even need tren for that.

People run tren like there's no tomorrow, but dude's like Arnold etc., didn't even use Tren as it was invented for cattle in 1963.

They achieved their physiques using shit like Test, Primo, Anavar, Dbol, Deca etc.
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