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#11
I agree with you 100% on the idea I just wonder how effective it would be unless there is a way for the mods to be the ones updating it as well.

Personally I really liked a couple of years back when sources here had a score with bloodwork results in their flair. And that was part of being a verified source.

If there was a way to have the information pulled from the T/a threads so that it would show.....in last 30 days xyz source had a t/a between 3-11 days. That would be extremely helpful. But getting the source to be honest about the t/a is great, just how to make it happen consistently is the question I guess.

#12
If you start expecting we stick to Amazon time frames or we get a big red font on the top of our pages, I can promise you no source will offer any T/A estimate at all.

It may sound like a noble idea, but it will crash and burn in practice

We are all drug dealers filling hundreds of orders each day.

9/10 of those customers will bitch when they have something go wrong. Maybe 2/10 will say anything when things go right.


(11-03-2019, 12:24 AM)99745 Wrote: Personally I really liked a couple of years back when sources here had a score with bloodwork results in their flair. And that was part of being a verified source.

That is what the little "reputation" numbers are, man. They've not gone anywhere and are still a requirement of verification

#13
(11-03-2019, 02:59 AM)Checkmatelabs Wrote: If you start expecting we stick to Amazon time frames or we get a big red font on the top of our pages, I can promise you no source will offer any T/A estimate at all.

It may sound like a noble idea, but it will crash and burn in practice

We are all drug dealers filling hundreds of orders each day.

9/10 of those customers will bitch when they have something go wrong. Maybe 2/10 will say anything when things go right.



Nononono, I mean like, if you claim you have a certain t/a you should (in my opinion) live up to it otherwise change it to reflect the current t/a you are providing. Just put the truth, no need to claim a time frame that you aren't living up to. If somebody wants to have a 3 month t/a I'm all for it just as long as it's upfront to the buyer. It isn't the speed that's an issue, it's the claim of one (faster) speed while providing another.

#14
(11-03-2019, 03:12 AM)kingofcarbz Wrote:
(11-03-2019, 02:59 AM)Checkmatelabs Wrote: If you start expecting we stick to Amazon time frames or we get a big red font on the top of our pages, I can promise you no source will offer any T/A estimate at all.

It may sound like a noble idea, but it will crash and burn in practice

We are all drug dealers filling hundreds of orders each day.

9/10 of those customers will bitch when they have something go wrong. Maybe 2/10 will say anything when things go right.



Nononono, I mean like, if you claim you have a certain t/a you should (in my opinion) live up to it otherwise change it to reflect the current t/a you are providing. Just put the truth, no need to claim a time frame that you aren't living up to. If somebody wants to have a 3 month t/a I'm all for it just as long as it's upfront to the buyer. It isn't the speed that's an issue, it's the claim of one (faster) speed while providing another.


Considering I have “3-5 day dropped after payment” and always offer customers an update around that time, I’d like you to take the idea and toss it in the same bin as holding sources more accountable for low quality gear blends. I don’t offer amazon TA, nor advertise it. I don’t reply to emails quickly, nor advertise as doing so. Literally says in multiple parts of my own source post that I do not make the unnecessary effort to suck cock for LIGHTNING TA LOL. I didn’t meet my advertised TA for this one customer, maybe one or two more (out of over 150 fulfilled, dropped, and delivered orders since his). He’s upset. I get it. But he gave me 3 days to reply to an email, I advertise 1-2. It’s been a long week. Holidays. Life. My life, safety, and sanity come before over the top customer service. I provide more than enough quality gear. Judge me for that, stop bitching about my fucking delivery times when I advertise exactly what you suggest.

Hundreds of customers could chime in saying “hey I emailed 3-5 days after paying and misriah updated me like he said”. And I have. Literally hundreds of times, going into THOUSANDS.

You guys are too fucking entitled. This isn’t me dropping your crayon eating ass some fucking adult diapers, they’re your drugs. You should hope I do it with the most concern in the world, of which I do. I can’t be and won’t be bothered to update you on everything along the way. If you want your order update, reach out like every other customer has. It’s how I do things.

/rant over. Suck my dick. Fuck this thread.

#15
(11-03-2019, 03:12 AM)kingofcarbz Wrote: Nononono, I mean like, if you claim you have a certain t/a you should (in my opinion) live up to it otherwise change it to reflect the current t/a you are providing. Just put the truth, no need to claim a time frame that you aren't living up to. If somebody wants to have a 3 month t/a I'm all for it just as long as it's upfront to the buyer. It isn't the speed that's an issue, it's the claim of one (faster) speed while providing another.

I understand you mean well. The issue of this is still, in fact, that the idea will be flawed in practice:

1) Most T/A issues that are complained of are not a source sticking his fingers up his ass and waiting for the smell to go away. They are frequently issues outside their control.

In the case of Opsec, particularly, it is unreasonable to expect thread updates. I can tell you freely: I do not have 30 seconds to update my thread if I fear my lab is about to be swatted.

2) If I offer 1-2 day T/A and I get 100 customers in a day, all it takes is 1 out of those 100 to throw a tantrum.

2.1) Again, of those 99 satisfied customers, few will ever say a word on SST (a majority probably don't even have an account)

I am sure we have all witnessed that many users do not bother to make an account until they require one to complain. Humans have a negative bias by nature.

This now leads me to:

3) How do you verify T/A is up kept other than customer reviews?

Loop back to point 2.1: customer review will have a bias towards the negative, which only increases the higher the source's volume.

I do not think many verified sources intend to 'deceive' customers into ordering with a faster than reality T/A.

If a source is consistently lying, the lack of quality in their service will speak for itself. They will not continue to get customers.

#16
That is what the little "reputation" numbers are, man. They've not gone anywhere and are still a requirement of verification
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I had not paid any attention to this but I'm glad to see it in place. Thank you for pointing that out

#17
(11-03-2019, 03:45 AM)Misriah Wrote: /rant over. Suck my dick. Fuck this thread.

Hey man chill, I demand respect from all our community members to sources and expect it to go both ways. Thus far the conversation has been extremely thoughtful. I more than agree with you that a large portion of the member base comes across entirely too entitled and that a retarded amount of people explicitly make accounts (forgoing reading literally any other words on the site) to bitch.

@kingofcarbz let's try to put it in the context of other busines; I ordered two 5 lbs bags of whey from Myprotein a few weeks back, one of them shipped, the other didn't. I emailed them a few times and got a response that they were working on it and there was a little mix up because of payment (card originally was declined). Two more weeks go by and I finally call them and tell them I just want a refund. I guarantee you if I went to purchase another bag of whey, their shipping time would be the same. Why? Because the delay in T/A wasn't malicious, something unaccounted for occurred and all things considered they assume they'll be able to keep shipping bags of whey out on time. Can, and do, other shipping issues occur that cause people to get delayed products? Absolutely, there's just not one localized Myprotein forum for customers to come on and aggregate their experiences, they're mixed between Google Reviews and some weird protein review site somewhere.

The company isn't legally, morally, or even reasonably expected to keep to the same standards we're applying to UGL's in this scenario. To @Checkmatelabs greater point, estimated T/A is not a requirement of our sources and unfortunately any form of 'holding them accountable' would just cause them to not state any T/A at all, and that's worse than delayed T/A.

There are many unspoken consequences of this industry that I think should be addressed/compiled somewhere (honestly would need to be with the help of the community) that could help put some of into perspective. As in, when you place an order for an illegal product online, you should 'expect' to lose it (crypto can crash, the source can burn at any time, etc.). If you don't have AI on hand,, it's not a sources fault your nipples hurt because you don't plan. Half the time, if people are patient and polite they get hooked the fuck up, too.

At the end of the day, it's not malicious or intended and is usually caused by some circumstances outside of the sources control. These guys are, after all, small operations in comparison to almost any legal business small things can take them away from their work, with no one else to replace them.

#18
(11-02-2019, 09:18 PM)kingofcarbz Wrote:
(11-02-2019, 06:20 PM)superawesomename Wrote:
(11-02-2019, 03:59 PM)kingofcarbz Wrote: ^ can we please start having sources update their t/a to reflect the accurate t/a rather than desired one? Customers wouldn’t be expecting a 2-3 day t/a if the source didn’t claim to provide it, and they may not order from them at all if they knew the true wait time. It’s almost like gaining customers via deception and I don’t find that to be appropriate. Just an observation and suggestion based on it. This type of issue repeats itself far too often and the only real solution is going to be holding sources accountable for the t/a which they advertise.

I fully understand the sentiment brother, but by what process would you implement with the sources to adhere to to be held accountable?

Untimely T/A is no grounds for removal from the board, verification is credited towards bloodwork via user submission, and customers frequent the T/A subforum/source thread with current T/A regularly. It's entirely up to the individual to invest a fairly minimal amount of time into seeing the current climate of any given source. This is, like many things, one of the inherent consequences of underground work.

I totally agree that it shouldn’t be grounds for removal unless a repeat offense over an extended period of time. However there isn’t always an up to date t/a thread or post and not every customer should have to dig beyond what the source itself advertises on their thread (like, if a source is advertising a 5 day t/a that’s all a customer should need to look for, and that’s what their expectation should be—obviously bitching about like 6 days would be uncalled for still, but 14 days would not be). When it comes to things like “X day t/a subject to change” it is the sources responsibility (imo) to update that t/a when it does change from what they had advertised prior.


If a source is found to have a t/a that doesn’t reflect their advertised speed, a 30 day warning on the top of their thread in bold with something along the lines of “SOURCE T/A IS INACCURATE, ORDER WITH KNOWLEDGE THAT YOUR PACKAGE MAY TAKE AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME TO ARRIVE” or even one of those avatar headers similar to how we have like verified source, probationary source, etc only “T/A Issues”. Just a way to hold the source accountable, keep members aware, and ensure that anybody looking to place an order with them knows it’s going to potentially take longer than normal/advertised.

Just my opinion tho, no hard feelings if y’all don’t see eye to eye with me <3

Thank you. I'm really not an opinionated person in these types of threads, but I expect the terms of a deal to be followed strictly.

(11-03-2019, 03:45 AM)Misriah Wrote:
(11-03-2019, 03:12 AM)kingofcarbz Wrote:
(11-03-2019, 02:59 AM)Checkmatelabs Wrote: If you start expecting we stick to Amazon time frames or we get a big red font on the top of our pages, I can promise you no source will offer any T/A estimate at all.

It may sound like a noble idea, but it will crash and burn in practice

We are all drug dealers filling hundreds of orders each day.

9/10 of those customers will bitch when they have something go wrong. Maybe 2/10 will say anything when things go right.



Nononono, I mean like, if you claim you have a certain t/a you should (in my opinion) live up to it otherwise change it to reflect the current t/a you are providing. Just put the truth, no need to claim a time frame that you aren't living up to. If somebody wants to have a 3 month t/a I'm all for it just as long as it's upfront to the buyer. It isn't the speed that's an issue, it's the claim of one (faster) speed while providing another.


Considering I have “3-5 day dropped after payment” and always offer customers an update around that time, I’d like you to take the idea and toss it in the same bin as holding sources more accountable for low quality gear blends. I don’t offer amazon TA, nor advertise it. I don’t reply to emails quickly, nor advertise as doing so. Literally says in multiple parts of my own source post that I do not make the unnecessary effort to suck cock for LIGHTNING TA LOL. I didn’t meet my advertised TA for this one customer, maybe one or two more (out of over 150 fulfilled, dropped, and delivered orders since his). He’s upset. I get it. But he gave me 3 days to reply to an email, I advertise 1-2. It’s been a long week. Holidays. Life. My life, safety, and sanity come before over the top customer service. I provide more than enough quality gear. Judge me for that, stop bitching about my fucking delivery times when I advertise exactly what you suggest.

Hundreds of customers could chime in saying “hey I emailed 3-5 days after paying and misriah updated me like he said”. And I have. Literally hundreds of times, going into THOUSANDS.

You guys are too fucking entitled. This isn’t me dropping your crayon eating ass some fucking adult diapers, they’re your drugs. You should hope I do it with the most concern in the world, of which I do. I can’t be and won’t be bothered to update you on everything along the way. If you want your order update, reach out like every other customer has. It’s how I do things.

/rant over. Suck my dick. Fuck this thread.

You're full of shit.

I didn’t meet my advertised TA for this one customer, maybe one or two more (out of over 150 fulfilled, dropped, and delivered orders since his). He’s upset. I get it. But he gave me 3 days to reply to an email, I advertise 1-2. It’s been a long week. Holidays. Life. My life, safety, and sanity come before over the top customer service. Stop bitching about my fucking delivery times when I advertise exactly what you suggest.


That's exactly the issue you didn't reach your t/a as advertised, this is also my first (and last time) ordering from you so personally I don't care how many orders you have fulfilled prior to this nor do I care about how long your week has been, holidays, life, or any other shitty excuse you can come up with. I also don't look at the product you are selling it could be chicken wings or fucking Mustard Gas it doesn't matter if there are more sellers other than just you. I can get the same product at a shorter and more consistent time from other suppliers, so this is the first and last time I'm bothering with ordering from you.

At the very least I should be refunded for the shipping terms, but I can see how the site will side with sellers over one random buyer.

(11-03-2019, 06:17 AM)mushrooomsandpeace Wrote:
(11-02-2019, 09:18 PM)kingofcarbz Wrote:
(11-02-2019, 06:20 PM)superawesomename Wrote:
(11-02-2019, 03:59 PM)kingofcarbz Wrote: ^ can we please start having sources update their t/a to reflect the accurate t/a rather than desired one? Customers wouldn’t be expecting a 2-3 day t/a if the source didn’t claim to provide it, and they may not order from them at all if they knew the true wait time. It’s almost like gaining customers via deception and I don’t find that to be appropriate. Just an observation and suggestion based on it. This type of issue repeats itself far too often and the only real solution is going to be holding sources accountable for the t/a which they advertise.

I fully understand the sentiment brother, but by what process would you implement with the sources to adhere to to be held accountable?

Untimely T/A is no grounds for removal from the board, verification is credited towards bloodwork via user submission, and customers frequent the T/A subforum/source thread with current T/A regularly. It's entirely up to the individual to invest a fairly minimal amount of time into seeing the current climate of any given source. This is, like many things, one of the inherent consequences of underground work.

I totally agree that it shouldn’t be grounds for removal unless a repeat offense over an extended period of time. However there isn’t always an up to date t/a thread or post and not every customer should have to dig beyond what the source itself advertises on their thread (like, if a source is advertising a 5 day t/a that’s all a customer should need to look for, and that’s what their expectation should be—obviously bitching about like 6 days would be uncalled for still, but 14 days would not be). When it comes to things like “X day t/a subject to change” it is the sources responsibility (imo) to update that t/a when it does change from what they had advertised prior.


If a source is found to have a t/a that doesn’t reflect their advertised speed, a 30 day warning on the top of their thread in bold with something along the lines of “SOURCE T/A IS INACCURATE, ORDER WITH KNOWLEDGE THAT YOUR PACKAGE MAY TAKE AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME TO ARRIVE” or even one of those avatar headers similar to how we have like verified source, probationary source, etc only “T/A Issues”. Just a way to hold the source accountable, keep members aware, and ensure that anybody looking to place an order with them knows it’s going to potentially take longer than normal/advertised.

Just my opinion tho, no hard feelings if y’all don’t see eye to eye with me <3

Thank you. I'm really not an opinionated person in these types of threads, but I expect the terms of a deal to be followed strictly.

(11-03-2019, 03:45 AM)Misriah Wrote:
(11-03-2019, 03:12 AM)kingofcarbz Wrote:
(11-03-2019, 02:59 AM)Checkmatelabs Wrote: If you start expecting we stick to Amazon time frames or we get a big red font on the top of our pages, I can promise you no source will offer any T/A estimate at all.

It may sound like a noble idea, but it will crash and burn in practice

We are all drug dealers filling hundreds of orders each day.

9/10 of those customers will bitch when they have something go wrong. Maybe 2/10 will say anything when things go right.



Nononono, I mean like, if you claim you have a certain t/a you should (in my opinion) live up to it otherwise change it to reflect the current t/a you are providing. Just put the truth, no need to claim a time frame that you aren't living up to. If somebody wants to have a 3 month t/a I'm all for it just as long as it's upfront to the buyer. It isn't the speed that's an issue, it's the claim of one (faster) speed while providing another.


Considering I have “3-5 day dropped after payment” and always offer customers an update around that time, I’d like you to take the idea and toss it in the same bin as holding sources more accountable for low quality gear blends. I don’t offer amazon TA, nor advertise it. I don’t reply to emails quickly, nor advertise as doing so. Literally says in multiple parts of my own source post that I do not make the unnecessary effort to suck cock for LIGHTNING TA LOL. I didn’t meet my advertised TA for this one customer, maybe one or two more (out of over 150 fulfilled, dropped, and delivered orders since his). He’s upset. I get it. But he gave me 3 days to reply to an email, I advertise 1-2. It’s been a long week. Holidays. Life. My life, safety, and sanity come before over the top customer service. I provide more than enough quality gear. Judge me for that, stop bitching about my fucking delivery times when I advertise exactly what you suggest.

Hundreds of customers could chime in saying “hey I emailed 3-5 days after paying and misriah updated me like he said”. And I have. Literally hundreds of times, going into THOUSANDS.

You guys are too fucking entitled. This isn’t me dropping your crayon eating ass some fucking adult diapers, they’re your drugs. You should hope I do it with the most concern in the world, of which I do. I can’t be and won’t be bothered to update you on everything along the way. If you want your order update, reach out like every other customer has. It’s how I do things.

/rant over. Suck my dick. Fuck this thread.

You're full of shit.

I didn’t meet my advertised TA for this one customer, maybe one or two more (out of over 150 fulfilled, dropped, and delivered orders since his). He’s upset. I get it. But he gave me 3 days to reply to an email, I advertise 1-2. It’s been a long week. Holidays. Life. My life, safety, and sanity come before over the top customer service. Stop bitching about my fucking delivery times when I advertise exactly what you suggest.


That's exactly the issue you didn't reach your t/a as advertised, this is also my first (and last time) ordering from you so personally I don't care how many orders you have fulfilled prior to this nor do I care about how long your week has been, holidays, life, or any other shitty excuse you can come up with. I also don't look at the product you are selling it could be chicken wings or fucking Mustard Gas it doesn't matter if there are more sellers other than just you. I can get the same product at a shorter and more consistent time from other suppliers, so this is the first and last time I'm bothering with ordering from you.

At the very least I should be refunded for the shipping terms, but I can see how the site will side with sellers over one random buyer.

#19
@mushrooomsandpeace I've not heard of any business, legal or otherwise, refunding shipping on a product not being returned to the vendor. In our industry, a source may offer some sort of compensation off another order, though, given your tone and lack of general respect for his life outside of brewing your hormones, I'd imagine he's not too keen on it.

As with most businesses, patience and civility is a virtue respected. The analogy to amazon is a moot point, the analogy to a mom and pop business down the road is more accurate. You may be able to get away with throwing your hands on the table and screaming at a big box like Walmart or Home Depot, but at Joes General Store you run the risk of having the owner tell you to get fucked. Conversely, I've never had a big box take the time to get to know my situation and go the extra mile when I'm respectful and express the circumstances in a reasonable manner.

#20
(11-03-2019, 08:28 AM)superawesomename Wrote: @mushrooomsandpeace I've not heard of any business, legal or otherwise, refunding shipping on a product not being returned to the vendor. In our industry, a source may offer some sort of compensation off another order, though, given your tone and lack of general respect for his life outside of brewing your hormones, I'd imagine he's not too keen on it.

As with most businesses, patience and civility is a virtue respected. The analogy to amazon is a moot point, the analogy to a mom and pop business down the road is more accurate. You may be able to get away with throwing your hands on the table and screaming at a big box like Walmart or Home Depot, but at Joes General Store you run the risk of having the owner tell you to get fucked. Conversely, I've never had a big box take the time to get to know my situation and go the extra mile when I'm respectful and express the circumstances in a reasonable manner.

Dominoes and if it doesn't arrive in 30 minutes it's free.

I'm sure there are more that I don't know of / can't think of

Plus amazon will sometimes give you a gift card if it doesn't arrive as expected.





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