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What did you guys realize later in life?

#1
For me it's that most people are just kind of improvising in life.

When I first heard someone say that it made sense but as time goes on, that sentence begins to mean a lot more.

People are really just trying without really knowing as much as you think they do.
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#2
That’s like a glorified version of what I believe. And that is this: later in life I’ve realized, and to no disrespect to anyone here, that most people truly don’t know shit. I’m 41, I’ve lived all around the world, and it’s been proven to me time and again. With that, I trust very few people.
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#3
Most people are basically as useless as random NPCs in a video game. They do the same thing every day of their life, talk about the same topics constantly (Most even tell the same story numerous times), don't understand why they have the religious/social/political views they have (they flip out when challenged, too; Glitch in programming?), never move forward in any way, basically they just exist and that's all. A handful of people are seemingly worthwhile in the world but the vast majority could die tomorrow and nothing of value would be lost whatsoever. Very few people from the grand total of around 8 billion on the planet have any meaningful contribution to anything in a STEM field and while many more than this believe they have good contributions to the arts (in any form) they are sadly mistaken (See: "Modern Art").

I'm honestly not a pompous, narcissistic prick at all and I try to give everyone the best side of me but I don't genuinely believe many of them have any value.

when I was a kid I thought everyone was special and blah blah blah which has turned out to be so fucking far from the truth. I'm a happy person though despite the bleak opinion I have of most people.
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#4
That's a really good topic and I guess it depends on where you are in life that would determine your answer. I'm an older guy. What have I learned? To be more compassionate. It's taken a long time for me to learn that I have to let people be who they are, where they are in that stage of life. I've learned to be more open minded about things, that I don't know everything, and I don't have all of the answers. That saying about, " You never know what battles people are fighting" is true. You never know what people are going through that can make them behave in a certain way. Divorce, drug addiction, suffering from type of abuse, etc etc etc.. I guess now in my life, I try to understand a little more, and be understood a little less.. Treating someone with kindness is never a bad thing
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#5
As an Atheist, Anarchist, Antinatalist.

Most people don't know what they're doing because they don't go back to the source. They start further upstream and don't realize where the stream begins and how they arrived at where they are in life.

Stripping everything down to its most fundamental component, realizing that we give great importance to a collection of these things and never really focus on the individual components, gives rise to all sorts of delusional thinking. It allows people to be manipulated with propaganda, religion, civics, nationalism, elitism, classism, mindless respect for authority. Eventually people are completely taken over and don't even know what or why they do what they do.

Those that do question everything aren't gonna last long unless they serve some utility for society. Questioning isn't allowed in this country, you question, you lose your job, family and eventually your freedom and maybe even your life.

(02-13-2020, 01:12 PM)Truckertrash Wrote: Treating someone with kindness is never a bad thing

And yet that isn't happening to any of us.

70% of people hate their job, work or school has long been a toxic environment. Families are made up of people that fight and argue endless over completely pointless stuff.

Much of life is an exercise in humiliation, a series of hierarchies where each level becomes colder and crueler.

Suicide, narcotic addiction, mental illness is largely the response to the warped society we live in.

We don't even think that there could be a better way, sadism is pounded into Americans heads and the government collects tax revenue from this abuse. We cheer those that work themselves into a hole, grinding it out and are freaked out by someone that wised up and stepped off the train to wave society goodbye.
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#6
(02-13-2020, 02:32 PM)Dexter Wrote: sadism is pounded into Americans heads and the government collects tax revenue from this abuse.
I wish all Americans could take a vacation to a decent EU country to realize there's a world out there that isn't complete trash and misery and abuse. Life can be good even for the lower classes. Good healthcare, social services, public transportation, holidays, workers rights, democracy etc. - the empty promises of the US are reality elsewhere
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(02-13-2020, 05:51 PM)appropionate Wrote: I wish all Americans could take a vacation to a decent EU country to realize there's a world out there that isn't complete trash and misery and abuse. Life can be good even for the lower classes. Good healthcare, social services, public transportation, holidays, workers rights, democracy etc. - the empty promises of the US are reality elsewhere

Most people when they visit Europe aren't impressed because of the scaled down lifestyle, they live in small homes, drive small cars, ride bicycles or public transportation. The slower way of life means less coast to coast shopping and fast food. So they are let down by the experience.

Once a human has secured shelter, food, clean water, clothing, tools, some educational material, they don't need much else.

This is why I don't think government can solve these problems, it's really for a society to decide that they don't want to work 40-80hrs a week anymore, they don't want to pay off debt for the rest of their lives. They want balance, they want efficiency, they don't want to stand around doing nothing for hours everyday just putting in their time, they want to get their work done quick and then get on with the rest of their day doing what they enjoy.....hopefully something that doesn't cost money.

It's not in the governments interest to have people working less, tax revenue, entitlements would take a drastic hit. The military spending would have to drastically reduce to the levels it once was back in the early 1900's. Around 1920 was the last time this country had free thinking people, many of the writings of these folk heros that questioned working like slaves and dying in stupid wars were put in prison and ever since people have been scared to speak out, not so much by fear of the government, but a society that looks upon this act as treason. There are no more Eugene Debs types running around in this country anymore.
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(02-13-2020, 05:51 PM)appropionate Wrote:
(02-13-2020, 02:32 PM)Dexter Wrote: sadism is pounded into Americans heads and the government collects tax revenue from this abuse.
I wish all Americans could take a vacation to a decent EU country to realize there's a world out there that isn't complete trash and misery and abuse. Life can be good even for the lower classes. Good healthcare, social services, public transportation, holidays, workers rights, democracy etc. - the empty promises of the US are reality elsewhere

Don't you also hail from Germany? I don't see that much difference from our place compared to the states, besides higher taxes, and compulsory health insurance, since I am self-employed I have to use private health insurance, not that cheap either, around 350 Euros each month. Rent is high if you are lucky to find a flat. Wages suck ass for workers (reason why I opened my own biz).And the "refugee" crisis hasn't even started yet, it will get worse once Erdogan goes full banana. Yeah, I have a rather grim view of our future tbf.

I have been working in the UK for a couple of months, and didn't like the place either. Germans still are not that welcome over there, meh. And the food is awful, like the weather.

But France is different. I have been in Nice for a year, and it was really nice - long before the migrants were storming the beaches though lol, was back in 2006. Fine weather, fine people (as long as you can parles francais), excellent cuisine, everything was really affordable, had a nice flat for cheap, food is dirt cheap but high quality, etc. No fatsos whatsoever, the beach was packed though.

If I could leave for leave for greener pastures, I'd go SE Asia, Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines etc, but the places are slowly hardening their immigration policies, and normal poor joe schmoe's like ain't welcome (understandable).

SO yeah, in later Life I realized how much it basically sucks Wink
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juicyfatpowerlifter Wrote: Don't you also hail from Germany? I don't see that much difference from our place compared to the states, besides higher taxes, and compulsory health insurance, since I am self-employed I have to use private health insurance, not that cheap either, around 350 Euros each month. Rent is high if you are lucky to find a flat. Wages suck ass for workers (reason why I opened my own biz).And the "refugee" crisis hasn't even started yet, it will get worse once Erdogan goes full banana. Yeah, I have a rather grim view of our future tbf.

I think you're doing Germany wrong. I'm self-employed as well, which is a bit shitty due to the high taxes and health insurance, but for the general population:

the unemployed get rent and health insurance + some furniture paid + 400€ in cash a month or so - you basically cannot be homeless here if you don't reject their help completely.

students pay nothing to attend university, get <100€ student health insurance, student suppor of ~650€ a month, a student ticket for all public transport within the state that's so cheap that many people sign up as a student just to get the ticket...

as for the basic state health insurance, which costs ~180€, you do get a lot: I never wait for more than a week for a doctors visit, free bloodwork, really cheap bodybuilding hormone panel bloodwork, medication copay of 5€ almost regardless, free dental work unless you want fancy/unnecessary stuff, no copay for specialists like physiotherapists, therapists etc.

There's just so much free stuff/services in Germany, I'm forgetting most of em. Plus the police are actually decent and well educated and you feel safer when they're around.
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(02-14-2020, 08:34 PM)appropionate Wrote: the unemployed get rent and health insurance + some furniture paid + 400€ in cash a month or so - you basically cannot be homeless here if you don't reject their help completely.

students pay nothing to attend university, get <100€ student health insurance, student suppor of ~650€ a month, a student ticket for all public transport within the state that's so cheap that many people sign up as a student just to get the ticket...

as for the basic state health insurance, which costs ~180€, you do get a lot: I never wait for more than a week for a doctors visit, free bloodwork, really cheap bodybuilding hormone panel bloodwork, medication copay of 5€ almost regardless, free dental work unless you want fancy/unnecessary stuff, no copay for specialists like physiotherapists, therapists etc.

There's just so much free stuff/services in Germany, I'm forgetting most of em. Plus the police are actually decent and well educated and you feel safer when they're around.

For me higher taxes and regulations to support a welfare state isn't worth it.

It seems nice to have this safety net and for many people it works out great, but I'd still like to try a deregulated economy, wiping the debt out by drastically shrinking discretionary and mandatory spending and see what happens.

There would be pain at first and probably for decades, dismantling the federal and state government, getting rid of regulations of who and who can't do certain work. Job applicants would take IQ and skills tests instead of just sending out signals with degrees.

Getting rid of legislators, judges, prosecutors, cops, wardens, mowing down state and federal prisons, tearing down the whitehouse and capital building, destroying courthouses all across the country, deleting the entire us law library and burning all the legal books, tearing down all houses of worship for all faiths and burning all their books. Having a heavily armed society with a police force that is almost non-existent and completely unarmed.
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