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Winter Cycle, Equipoise and No Test Base?

#1
Hello Everyone!

Hope all is well. Slowly Mapping out my Winter Cycle and had an epiphany and some questions I would like to ask and share.

I usually blast in a range of 300-500mg of Testosterone a week for around 12 weeks twice a year. In addition with testosterone I usually only add another oil based compound and maybe an oral if I'm feeling it. I generally stay away from compounds like Halo, Tren, Winstrol, etc. as these compounds have rapped my labs and although the way I feel is amazing on them. I am generally more conservative now in days and try to aim for low dosing compounds on a blast.

The only time I had ever run a low dose test blast (120mg a week) was on a 400mg NPP winter cycle that I ran along with 20mg of Dbol a couple of years ago. Needless to say I wasn't a fan of that cycle and have never ran a low dose test blast again.

I recently stumbled across some literature that describes in detail how Middle Eastern Body Builders do not prefer using Test as a base and instead, prefer to use Equipoise as their base and run other compounds with it instead, unlike in the US. It is no surprise that Kuwait has, as of present, made some of the best bodybuilders in the world. The famous Oxygen Gym has been put on the map because of it.

I am thinking of switching things up and giving this a go. I would like to see how it works out this winter with Boldenone Cypionate instead of Testosterone Cypionate

I would like to know if anyone has tried this or if I could receive some opinions on this matter before I pull the trigger!

Thanks
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#2
Are you sure they use EQ and not Deca as their base? I would love to read up on that if you have some insight.

I think running a Deca only or Deca base with no test would be viable. Old school cycles use to do this and many anecdotal reports out there of Deca only cycles are positive. The old school style would be to run Deca high enough so it aromatizes to have a good amount of estrogen. Deca aromatizes ~20% (IIRC) so they would do a gram (or more), which would create the same amount of estrogen as ~200mg of Test at that dose.

With EQ I would worry about having no estrogen. EQ has crashed my E2 to completely undetectable levels twice at as low as 300mg/week.
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(06-30-2020, 05:49 AM)fattyboydylan Wrote: Are you sure they use EQ and not Deca as their base? I would love to read up on that if you have some insight.

I think running a Deca only or Deca base with no test would be viable. Old school cycles use to do this and many anecdotal reports out there of Deca only cycles are positive. The old school style would be to run Deca high enough so it aromatizes to have a good amount of estrogen. Deca aromatizes ~20% (IIRC) so they would do a gram (or more), which would create the same amount of estrogen as ~200mg of Test at that dose.

With EQ I would worry about having no estrogen. EQ has crashed my E2 to completely undetectable levels twice at as low as 300mg/week.


Here is one of the articles I found. I am not sure of the rules of referencing other forums and their posts, so I did not provide links to those websites.

https://generationiron.com/the-biggest-d...se-part-2/

If anythings, I will probably play It safe and run 120mg of a test base on the winter blast. The curiosity in me is so tempted to run only Boldenone as a base though with other compounds! If I acquire more information or research on the matter I might change my mind. It's interesting for sure.
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(06-30-2020, 05:49 AM)fattyboydylan Wrote: Are you sure they use EQ and not Deca as their base? I would love to read up on that if you have some insight.

I think running a Deca only or Deca base with no test would be viable. Old school cycles use to do this and many anecdotal reports out there of Deca only cycles are positive. The old school style would be to run Deca high enough so it aromatizes to have a good amount of estrogen. Deca aromatizes ~20% (IIRC) so they would do a gram (or more), which would create the same amount of estrogen as ~200mg of Test at that dose.

With EQ I would worry about having no estrogen. EQ has crashed my E2 to completely undetectable levels twice at as low as 300mg/week.

EQ is widely believed to aromatize - albeit, at a far slower rate than Testosterone. While Reddit has popularized the theory that EQ acts as an AI due to one of it's metabolites, that is not the case for some users. Personally, I still use AI when using EQ. I have seen other compounds like Masteron and Primobolan lower estrogen on bloodwork. Probably due to high DHT's prohibiting E2 conversion.
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(06-30-2020, 01:21 PM)Hedgeexchange Wrote: Here is one of the articles I found. I am not sure of the rules of referencing other forums and their posts, so I did not provide links to those websites.

https://generationiron.com/the-biggest-d...se-part-2/

If anythings, I will probably play It safe and run 120mg of a test base on the winter blast. The curiosity in me is so tempted to run only Boldenone as a base though with other compounds! If I acquire more information or research on the matter I might change my mind. It's interesting for sure.

Interesting thanks for sharing that. You should try to do it and just have Test ready in case you feel you need it.
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Yes I wonder what the rate of aromatization is for EQ. I would probably have to run Boldenone fairly high in order to get some aromatization. I have heard that it aromatizes about half the rate of Testosterone. I will let everyone know if I actually pull the trigger and do this. Like I said in my previous post, I really don't like doing blast with low testosterone and I have never done a blast without testosterone. If I do, I will have some test prop on hand just in case.
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