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  • So I just started my first cycle 600mg TE400 in miglyol solution and the pip is crazy doesn’t hurt right away but next day can’t even lift or barely move my shoulder also hard to sleep since I sleep on my sides tried both shoulders same thing happened idk what to do

  • guess your body doesn’t like the carrier oil, seems 50/50 with that one, so switching carrier oils may be your best bet

  • I have a bottle of that too. PIP is horrendous and I dont have an issue with Mig carriers. Mixing it does help but if you respond like i do, which it seems you do, it will still knock your dick in the dirt. Some guys can handle it, but it swells my arm up to my elbow for a few days.

  • [quote=“SouthernCompounding” pid=‘44594’ dateline=‘1552324319’]
    [quote=“Tboy95” pid=‘44578’ dateline=‘1552316060’]
    So I just started my first cycle 600mg TE400 in miglyol solution and the pip is crazy doesn’t hurt right away but next day can’t even lift or barely move my shoulder also hard to sleep since I sleep on my sides tried both shoulders same thing happened idk what to do
    [/quote]

    Cut it with additional carrier oil or add in a second compound that is of lower concentration. Test E 400 isn’t for everyone. Some people have no PIP at all and some have the same reaction that you have - unfortunately, I have no method of knowing who it will affect and who it won’t.

    My recommendation, based on you only running 600mg/week. Drop down to a lower concentration but since you already have product in hand, cut it with additional carrier oil.

    https://amzn.to/2tZIz83
    100mL of sterile Cotton Seed Oil

    https://amzn.to/2TwoeX9
    30mL of sterile Grape Seed Oil

    Draw your normal injection amount and then draw the additional carrier oil into the syringe with your injection. I would recommend starting at a 1:1 ratio and slowly backing off on the additional carrier oil until you find a ratio that is comfortable.
    [/quote]

    “Thanks for the response I will try mixing it just seems like at that point it would be a lot of carrier between the two if I’m doing a 1:1 ratio

  • 1.5ml isnt that much…

  • [quote=“Tboy95” pid=‘44578’ dateline=‘1552316060’]
    So I just started my first cycle 600mg TE400 in miglyol solution and the pip is crazy doesn’t hurt right away but next day can’t even lift or barely move my shoulder also hard to sleep since I sleep on my sides tried both shoulders same thing happened idk what to do
    [/quote]

    My body responds same way with that miglyol.Gso is all I use now.

  • I was getting crazy pip from a different sources GSO. Switched to SoCo mig and no pip after first two pins.

  • Are you pinning once or twice a week?

    With high concentrations, I usually pin 3x a week

  • [quote=“SouthernCompounding” pid=‘44594’ dateline=‘1552324319’]
    [quote=“Tboy95” pid=‘44578’ dateline=‘1552316060’]
    So I just started my first cycle 600mg TE400 in miglyol solution and the pip is crazy doesn’t hurt right away but next day can’t even lift or barely move my shoulder also hard to sleep since I sleep on my sides tried both shoulders same thing happened idk what to do
    [/quote]

    Cut it with additional carrier oil or add in a second compound that is of lower concentration. Test E 400 isn’t for everyone. Some people have no PIP at all and some have the same reaction that you have - unfortunately, I have no method of knowing who it will affect and who it won’t.

    My recommendation, based on you only running 600mg/week. Drop down to a lower concentration but since you already have product in hand, cut it with additional carrier oil.

    https://amzn.to/2tZIz83
    100mL of sterile Cotton Seed Oil

    https://amzn.to/2TwoeX9
    30mL of sterile Grape Seed Oil

    Draw your normal injection amount and then draw the additional carrier oil into the syringe with your injection. I would recommend starting at a 1:1 ratio and slowly backing off on the additional carrier oil until you find a ratio that is comfortable.
    [/quote]

    100% exactly this, but wouldn’t it be a safer bet to always draw the sterile oil first out of extra precaution to ensure any of the hormone doesn’t get pushed into the sterile vile if you accidentally over draw a bit or something? I know I always end up pushing a bit back into the vial, even if it’s a tiny bit of hormone once in ten shots, surely we don’t want to be having some wild concoction of tiny bits of various hormones in our sterile oil vial (or do we lol)? You’d know better than I would if this is a valid concern, holla back

  • [quote=“Storm1800” pid=‘44652’ dateline=‘1552354958’]
    Are you pinning once or twice a week?

    With high concentrations, I usually pin 3x a week
    [/quote]

    “2x a week Monday’s and Thursday”

  • [quote=“SouthernCompounding” pid=‘44695’ dateline=‘1552409184’]
    [quote=“kingofcarbz” pid=‘44671’ dateline=‘1552383868’]
    [quote=“SouthernCompounding” pid=‘44594’ dateline=‘1552324319’]
    [quote=“Tboy95” pid=‘44578’ dateline=‘1552316060’]
    So I just started my first cycle 600mg TE400 in miglyol solution and the pip is crazy doesn’t hurt right away but next day can’t even lift or barely move my shoulder also hard to sleep since I sleep on my sides tried both shoulders same thing happened idk what to do
    [/quote]

    Cut it with additional carrier oil or add in a second compound that is of lower concentration. Test E 400 isn’t for everyone. Some people have no PIP at all and some have the same reaction that you have - unfortunately, I have no method of knowing who it will affect and who it won’t.

    My recommendation, based on you only running 600mg/week. Drop down to a lower concentration but since you already have product in hand, cut it with additional carrier oil.

    https://amzn.to/2tZIz83
    100mL of sterile Cotton Seed Oil

    https://amzn.to/2TwoeX9
    30mL of sterile Grape Seed Oil

    Draw your normal injection amount and then draw the additional carrier oil into the syringe with your injection. I would recommend starting at a 1:1 ratio and slowly backing off on the additional carrier oil until you find a ratio that is comfortable.
    [/quote]

    100% exactly this, but wouldn’t it be a safer bet to always draw the sterile oil first out of extra precaution to ensure any of the hormone doesn’t get pushed into the sterile vile if you accidentally over draw a bit or something? I know I always end up pushing a bit back into the vial, even if it’s a tiny bit of hormone once in ten shots, surely we don’t want to be having some wild concoction of tiny bits of various hormones in our sterile oil vial (or do we lol)? You’d know better than I would if this is a valid concern, holla back
    [/quote]

    I suppose you could argue that it would be safer/smarter to draw the sterile oil first. I pull all three compounds I’m running from their vials with one syringe and just ensure I leave a .2mL air bubble at the top before starting a new draw.
    [/quote]

    Samezies ?

  • Oh man, I ordered some of that with the Test E and Test Prop in that oil I hope I don’t get bad pips as I’m already in massive pain from Test Acetate 100. Only way to use it is in small amounts with Test E in GSO.

  • [quote=“alphaproject” pid=‘45435’ dateline=‘1552933819’]
    Oh man, I ordered some of that with the Test E and Test Prop in that oil I hope I don’t get bad pips as I’m already in massive pain from Test Acetate 100. Only way to use it is in small amounts with Test E in GSO.
    [/quote]

    I’m running their NPP in the MG840, it gave me a fairly gnarly PIP at first. I didn’t dilute or mix it with any other esthers, just powered through and kept going. 2x / wk vs 3x / wk didn’t seem to make much difference.

    I inject in my upper glutes where it’s not too bothersome unless I sit on the injection site just right. I haven’t injected it elsewhere because I knew there was a potential for PIP and figured glute has more surface area to absorb.

    As the cycle has went on, the PIP has progressively gotten better – I think my body adapted to it (first time with MG840). Still there, but pretty much gone by the second day after injection.

    Also suggest taking your time and injecting slowly, and personally I heat my oils on a coffee mug warmer (candle warmer’s fine too) before injecting.

  • [quote=“alphaproject” pid=‘45435’ dateline=‘1552933819’]
    Oh man, I ordered some of that with the Test E and Test Prop in that oil I hope I don’t get bad pips as I’m already in massive pain from Test Acetate 100. Only way to use it is in small amounts with Test E in GSO.
    [/quote]

    I believe Test Ace is known to have some gnarly PIP.

    I was pretty worried about the MiG oil after ordering and seeing some threads, but the Test E 250 is ridiculously smooth. My prescription Test is in GSO and I’m honestly kind of dreading going back to it after this blast. It’s so much thicker.

  • Dude Test Ace - if your body doesn’t like is like nothing you can ever imagine on your worst enemy. I would compare it to torturing someone from the inside out. The skin in my glute and leg, 2 different times… I gave it a total of 3 chances before deciding it wasn’t for me. My leg is so sensitive and red you’d think I have health issues, lol… no joke. You lose all the definition in your leg and it bloats up… then gets tight as all hell. You will think you wish you’d never got on TRT or Cycle it’s THAT bad. If you don’t have any pain killers… may god be with you. You certainly won’t make it to work if it’s your quad. The Glute was just as painful but you don’t need your glute to walk around but it was a living nightmare because I couldn’t even lay in bed without wincing with every movement.

    Now mig840 as far as now… ZERO pip but I’ll know more tomorrow. Ace has made me so scared I’m like dreading a quad shot ever again even though I’ve had plenty of good quad shots. I have had the most unsuccessful pins in quads though but that Ace… my shoulders can tolerate the pain for some reason, maybe because it’s tiny but they still do get red but it’s nothing crippling like Quad or Glute… it’s unreal.

    Update. The Test E in Mig840 did give me some far delayed PIP in my left delt. I went a bit high on the shot but either way if I bump into a wall it’s like YIKES… The Test Prop in Mig840 however seems to be better, makes no sense.
    It’s not the typical PIP I had with the ACE, you can find that thread… holy shit… maybe my body actually needs to get used to this, not sure yet… this felt more like a first time area PIP vs you just fucked up your entire shoulder like I did with both legs and Glute muscles. Imagine not being able to sit or lay on bed without wincing. Nightmare.

  • FWIW,

    Just started 600mg (3 x 200mg) per week with SoCos TE400 (3/19 batch date)… Same as you mentioned… First 2 injections left quad were no problem at all. the third, in the right quad, reacted much as you described. 4th in the left quad, and again… SUPER painful for a day or 2 afterwards. Got nervous, stared searching the forums thinking there is something wrong with the product, me, technique, etc…

    What i did is… used a heating pad on the sore muscles to help break down the crystallization that takes place at higher concentrations of test. Immediate relief, also, stretching the muscles, while painful to do, helped tremendously. Now, prior to pinning, i warm the test in a candle warmer used for butter:) Finally, now that i am into week 4, almost zero pip day after or following. Virgin muscles, high concentration test, was my problem… SoCos products appear to be g2g… Bloods in 2 weeks, will know then the efficacy but i suspect good outcomes based on the scale and clothes fitting.

  • [quote=“SouthernCompounding” pid=‘44594’ dateline=‘1552324319’]
    [quote=“Tboy95” pid=‘44578’ dateline=‘1552316060’]
    So I just started my first cycle 600mg TE400 in miglyol solution and the pip is crazy doesn’t hurt right away but next day can’t even lift or barely move my shoulder also hard to sleep since I sleep on my sides tried both shoulders same thing happened idk what to do
    [/quote]

    Cut it with additional carrier oil or add in a second compound that is of lower concentration. Test E 400 isn’t for everyone. Some people have no PIP at all and some have the same reaction that you have - unfortunately, I have no method of knowing who it will affect and who it won’t.

    My recommendation, based on you only running 600mg/week. Drop down to a lower concentration but since you already have product in hand, cut it with additional carrier oil.

    https://amzn.to/2tZIz83
    100mL of sterile Cotton Seed Oil

    https://amzn.to/2TwoeX9
    30mL of sterile Grape Seed Oil

    Draw your normal injection amount and then draw the additional carrier oil into the syringe with your injection. I would recommend starting at a 1:1 ratio and slowly backing off on the additional carrier oil until you find a ratio that is comfortable.
    [/quote]

    I appreciate this and your earlier post on this subject. I used the link you provided and got some sterile grape seed oil for any PIP issues.

  • OMG if I injected 600mg of test 400 I’d be royally… boned. I did buy that GSO though so more testing to come. I tend to run either .50 or .30 1:1 ratio of additional oil. But yea it’s a delayed pip. One time it didn’t hurt until 48 hours later which means I don’t think it’s the mig840, just the leftover test can’t absorb properly. I think it’s just a personal issue with only a select few people. I usually know if the shot went bad if I don’t feel a greasy face within a few hours. My buddy uwsed to give me all my shots in the glutes and within a few hours I felt GREAT. I always had that slight euphoric boost but anytime I fucked a shot up and it got all knotted up or my body didn’t like the concentration I never felt like I even took a shot. Strange all around. So far I’ve only tested out Test Prop 200 with the GSO into my side glute so I’m crossing fingers. 60mg is what I usually inject which is only like .30ml.

  • [quote=“epattwow” pid=‘50072’ dateline=‘1556132110’]
    FWIW,

    Just started 600mg (3 x 200mg) per week with SoCos TE400 (3/19 batch date)… Same as you mentioned… First 2 injections left quad were no problem at all. the third, in the right quad, reacted much as you described. 4th in the left quad, and again… SUPER painful for a day or 2 afterwards. Got nervous, stared searching the forums thinking there is something wrong with the product, me, technique, etc…

    What i did is… used a heating pad on the sore muscles to help break down the crystallization that takes place at higher concentrations of test. Immediate relief, also, stretching the muscles, while painful to do, helped tremendously. Now, prior to pinning, i warm the test in a candle warmer used for butter:) Finally, now that i am into week 4, almost zero pip day after or following. Virgin muscles, high concentration test, was my problem… SoCos products appear to be g2g… Bloods in 2 weeks, will know then the efficacy but i suspect good outcomes based on the scale and clothes fitting.
    [/quote]

    This is why I shy away from quad injections, I never know how I’m going to react the next day. I usually use a blowdryer to warm the gear and pin my lats, middle delts, V or D glutes cause the little pip I get is at least manageable then and I can lift around it. I’m probably gonna start experimenting with pec injections soon. I have some SOCO TE400 sitting comfortably in my lats and delts as I write this but at TRT dose until I get back from vacation next month and start my blast. So far pinning in V glutes is the only real pip I’ve gotten from the TE400 but it magically disappeared 72 hours later right in time to hit lower body. The iron gods shined down upon me that day.

  • Any uber painful shot in my quads pretty much blows anyone’s I’ve heard away. Some guys claim 2-3 days they can’t workout… that’s nothing. My leg hurts for 10 days. 2-3 days of the really bad pain, then swelling, then after swelling another 3-4 days of super tight grinding muscles deep in the quad. Even after the resting pain goes away, which is the worst… I still have that nice tightness to go thru. Fun times. I may give up on my quads…it’s just too many times now I’ve been sidelined by this. The only thing that probably won’t give me any pip is simply Masteron or non test based oils.

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