Coming off of a year of TRT - 25 y/o

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  • Hey all,

    Just want to shed some light and give some information to those that may be young and jumped the gun on TRT (my case), or those who may just be considering coming off of TRT/HRT.

    A little bit of background: 24ish at the time, I assumed I had low T based on “webMD” symptoms. After being out of the military for 6 months, I still had low energy and difficulty getting true restful sleep. I got my own blood panel done, with my total T coming back at 477. The rest of my numbers looked about right. Now here is where I jumped the gun, as many of you could guess. I immediately googled T ranges, blah blah blah… Instead of seeing someone about improving my sleep, or a nutritionist, I immediately scheduled an appointment with a urologist, albeit a very reputable one.

    Fast forward a little bit: I have been running large doses of test for a little over a year, at a minimum of 200mg cyp/week. I was planning on competing (aren’t we all) and was running other compounds, namely NPP and dbol. I have also been on hCG the entire time at 500IU EOD, and adex at 2mg/week (adjusted as needed).

    My lab results from 2 panels done can be seen here: https://imgur.com/a/3bGv1un

    After a year of being on TRT, I have decided to come off, and see how my body restores homeostasis. My “PCT” will consist of basically a 2-step process:

    1. 5 weeks of hCG @ 500 IU EOD. Adex @ 0.5mg 2x/week. Caber @ 0.25mg 2x/week. Cialis as needed. Trying to get the nuts going again here. Continuing adex to try and create negative feedback loop to pituitary.
      1a) After 5 weeks, get blood panel done to see if LH/FSH is high. If so proceed to step 2 - nuts are back online.
      1b) LH/FSH is low/non-existent. Nuts are non-functional; proceed back to TRT.

    2. 5 weeks of Nolva @ 20mg ED. Caber @ 0.25mg 2x/week. Getting pituitary back in the game. Blood panel to see how levels are.

    I am pretty optimistic. It will be 3 weeks tomorrow (4/19) that I have been off of test cyp, and to be completely transparent I am seeing little to no withdrawal. Minor issues with staying hard, but that’s expected. Cialis does the trick.

    I will monitor this post and answer any questions, as well as provide the results of my bloodwork in another 2 weeks.

    Thanks for giving this a read!

  • my Man U need clomid in there. Real talk from a real nigga

  • you should go see an endocrinologist and be honest dude, they’d be more than happy to get you healthy again
    https://i.imgur.com/pdHYxM0.png

  • [quote=“street_grade” pid=‘49386’ dateline=‘1555605983’]
    Hey all,

    Just want to shed some light and give some information to those that may be young and jumped the gun on TRT (my case), or those who may just be considering coming off of TRT/HRT.

    A little bit of background: 24ish at the time, I assumed I had low T based on “webMD” symptoms. After being out of the military for 6 months, I still had low energy and difficulty getting true restful sleep. I got my own blood panel done, with my total T coming back at 477. The rest of my numbers looked about right. Now here is where I jumped the gun, as many of you could guess. I immediately googled T ranges, blah blah blah… Instead of seeing someone about improving my sleep, or a nutritionist, I immediately scheduled an appointment with a urologist, albeit a very reputable one.

    Fast forward a little bit: I have been running large doses of test for a little over a year, at a minimum of 200mg cyp/week. I was planning on competing (aren’t we all) and was running other compounds, namely NPP and dbol. I have also been on hCG the entire time at 500IU EOD, and adex at 2mg/week (adjusted as needed).

    My lab results from 2 panels done can be seen here: https://imgur.com/a/3bGv1un

    After a year of being on TRT, I have decided to come off, and see how my body restores homeostasis. My “PCT” will consist of basically a 2-step process:

    1. 5 weeks of hCG @ 500 IU EOD. Adex @ 0.5mg 2x/week. Caber @ 0.25mg 2x/week. Cialis as needed. Trying to get the nuts going again here. Continuing adex to try and create negative feedback loop to pituitary.
      1a) After 5 weeks, get blood panel done to see if LH/FSH is high. If so proceed to step 2 - nuts are back online.
      1b) LH/FSH is low/non-existent. Nuts are non-functional; proceed back to TRT.

    2. 5 weeks of Nolva @ 20mg ED. Caber @ 0.25mg 2x/week. Getting pituitary back in the game. Blood panel to see how levels are.

    I am pretty optimistic. It will be 3 weeks tomorrow (4/19) that I have been off of test cyp, and to be completely transparent I am seeing little to no withdrawal. Minor issues with staying hard, but that’s expected. Cialis does the trick.

    I will monitor this post and answer any questions, as well as provide the results of my bloodwork in another 2 weeks.

    Thanks for giving this a read!
    [/quote]

    Any chance if all goes according to plan that you can follow up with a fertility test? I think restoring fertility is a key issue for those of us in our 20s

  • Any chance if all goes according to plan that you can follow up with a fertility test? I think restoring fertility is a key issue for those of us in our 20s
    [/quote]

    Not sure if this means much to anybody, but.
    Am 24… Girlfriend is currently pregnant. For the second time.

    BnC’d hard, no HCG At ANY point, from 18-22. Did not pct whatsoever and after about 8 months, started to feel normal again. Had never done bloods after coming off despite doing them a total of 6 times throughout, mostly during blast periods. I’ve been back on TRT with some Tren mast and various orals since getting back on.

    I thought that my balls would be fried indefinitely, but she got pregnant the first time just a few months after my ~year long hiatus. IMO, it is very hard to judge an individuals effect on fertility regardless of time on/pct:/etc

    TLDR Blasted up to 1g Tren for 20+ weeks over 3 years, took break no hcg no pct, got back on TRT still got my girl preggers.

  • [quote=“Clawks” pid=‘49433’ dateline=‘1555632483’]
    Any chance if all goes according to plan that you can follow up with a fertility test? I think restoring fertility is a key issue for those of us in our 20s
    [/quote]

    [/quote]
    Not sure if this means much to anybody, but.
    Am 24… Girlfriend is currently pregnant. For the second time.

    BnC’d hard, no HCG At ANY point, from 18-22. Did not pct whatsoever and after about 8 months, started to feel normal again. Had never done bloods after coming off despite doing them a total of 6 times throughout, mostly during blast periods. I’ve been back on TRT with some Tren mast and various orals since getting back on.

    I thought that my balls would be fried indefinitely, but she got pregnant the first time just a few months after my ~year long hiatus. IMO, it is very hard to judge an individuals effect on fertility regardless of time on/pct:/etc

    TLDR Blasted up to 1g Tren for 20+ weeks over 3 years, took break no hcg no pct, got back on TRT still got my girl preggers.
    [/quote]

    Inspiring hope through recklessness. Congrats on the baby

  • @“Clawks” Inspiring hope through recklessness. Congrats on the second

  • I know nothing about PCT, but why the Caber? .25 2x/wk. is a hefty dose for no 19-nor being in the equation. Best of luck either way

  • No clomid? I was on test e 500mg for 6 months than dropped to 350 last 4 months. Just finished 5 week pct of 50mg ed. Now I am currently on 12.5mg mwf. Your body will be fully recovered within 5-8 months after pct.

  • [quote=“kingofcarbz” pid=‘49444’ dateline=‘1555636811’]
    I know nothing about PCT, but why the Caber? .25 2x/wk. is a hefty dose for no 19-nor being in the equation. Best of luck either way
    [/quote]

    I’m assuming that he’s just wanting to take an extra measure to affect the negative feedback that prolactin has on endogenous testosterone production. Prolactin inhibits GnRH secretion, even at physiological levels, which isn’t exactly ideal for someone trying to restart their natural gonadotropin levels.

    Might be a little unorthodox to use Caber during a PCT, but it’s really not a terrible idea if you’re just looking at it from that perspective.

  • [quote=“derkaman123” pid=‘49387’ dateline=‘1555606076’]
    my Man U need clomid in there. Real talk from a real nigga
    [/quote]

    From what I’ve been told, and everything I’ve read has stated clomid is always pushed because it was the “OG” PCT compound. Also, I have never used clomid and have good results with Nolva, so that’s why I didn’t include clomid. Thanks though!

    [quote=“superawesomename” pid=‘49423’ dateline=‘1555630199’]
    you should go see an endocrinologist and be honest dude, they’d be more than happy to get you healthy again
    https://i.imgur.com/pdHYxM0.png
    [/quote]

    I love that movie lmao… I have healthcare through the VA and saw an endo about it, all he wanted to do was put me on 1000IU of hcG 3x/week and get me tested after a month. No details or plan of care after a 4 week blast of hCG, hence why I’m doing it solo.

    [quote=“TrenAnonymous” pid=‘49426’ dateline=‘1555630801’]
    [quote=“street_grade” pid=‘49386’ dateline=‘1555605983’]
    Hey all,

    Just want to shed some light and give some information to those that may be young and jumped the gun on TRT (my case), or those who may just be considering coming off of TRT/HRT.

    A little bit of background: 24ish at the time, I assumed I had low T based on “webMD” symptoms. After being out of the military for 6 months, I still had low energy and difficulty getting true restful sleep. I got my own blood panel done, with my total T coming back at 477. The rest of my numbers looked about right. Now here is where I jumped the gun, as many of you could guess. I immediately googled T ranges, blah blah blah… Instead of seeing someone about improving my sleep, or a nutritionist, I immediately scheduled an appointment with a urologist, albeit a very reputable one.

    Fast forward a little bit: I have been running large doses of test for a little over a year, at a minimum of 200mg cyp/week. I was planning on competing (aren’t we all) and was running other compounds, namely NPP and dbol. I have also been on hCG the entire time at 500IU EOD, and adex at 2mg/week (adjusted as needed).

    My lab results from 2 panels done can be seen here: https://imgur.com/a/3bGv1un

    After a year of being on TRT, I have decided to come off, and see how my body restores homeostasis. My “PCT” will consist of basically a 2-step process:

    1. 5 weeks of hCG @ 500 IU EOD. Adex @ 0.5mg 2x/week. Caber @ 0.25mg 2x/week. Cialis as needed. Trying to get the nuts going again here. Continuing adex to try and create negative feedback loop to pituitary.
      1a) After 5 weeks, get blood panel done to see if LH/FSH is high. If so proceed to step 2 - nuts are back online.
      1b) LH/FSH is low/non-existent. Nuts are non-functional; proceed back to TRT.

    2. 5 weeks of Nolva @ 20mg ED. Caber @ 0.25mg 2x/week. Getting pituitary back in the game. Blood panel to see how levels are.

    I am pretty optimistic. It will be 3 weeks tomorrow (4/19) that I have been off of test cyp, and to be completely transparent I am seeing little to no withdrawal. Minor issues with staying hard, but that’s expected. Cialis does the trick.

    I will monitor this post and answer any questions, as well as provide the results of my bloodwork in another 2 weeks.

    Thanks for giving this a read!
    [/quote]

    Any chance if all goes according to plan that you can follow up with a fertility test? I think restoring fertility is a key issue for those of us in our 20s
    [/quote]

    I will be doing a fertility test at the 10 week mark following completion of PCT. I’ll make sure to post results here.

    [quote=“kingofcarbz” pid=‘49444’ dateline=‘1555636811’]
    I know nothing about PCT, but why the Caber? .25 2x/wk. is a hefty dose for no 19-nor being in the equation. Best of luck either way
    [/quote]

    [quote=“FixerUpper” pid=‘49494’ dateline=‘1555681594’]
    [quote=“kingofcarbz” pid=‘49444’ dateline=‘1555636811’]
    I know nothing about PCT, but why the Caber? .25 2x/wk. is a hefty dose for no 19-nor being in the equation. Best of luck either way
    [/quote]

    I’m assuming that he’s just wanting to take an extra measure to affect the negative feedback that prolactin has on endogenous testosterone production. Prolactin inhibits GnRH secretion, even at physiological levels, which isn’t exactly ideal for someone trying to restart their natural gonadotropin levels.

    Might be a little unorthodox to use Caber during a PCT, but it’s really not a terrible idea if you’re just looking at it from that perspective.
    [/quote]

    This is exactly why. I have been prone to prolactin related sides in the past. While adex should take care of e2, and in turn any prolactin issues, I’d rather be safe than sorry. Also right now I need any help I can get in the bedroom.

    [quote=“Storm1800” pid=‘49467’ dateline=‘1555645959’]
    No clomid? I was on test e 500mg for 6 months than dropped to 350 last 4 months. Just finished 5 week pct of 50mg ed. Now I am currently on 12.5mg mwf. Your body will be fully recovered within 5-8 months after pct.
    [/quote]

    Thanks for the info man. I’m really hoping I can get back to a decent natural level.

    Thanks everyone for the input!

  • not going to lie dude the va isn’t really good for much outside of meds. like I get all my shit done private and then just fill out the form with my team when I go in for check ups and then tricare sends me extra meds lmao.

  • We have to be worried about fertility issues from just test alone? I know tren can cause fertility issues, but why would lose dose test be an issue

  • [quote=“superawesomename” pid=‘49527’ dateline=‘1555700299’]
    not going to lie dude the va isn’t really good for much outside of meds. like I get all my shit done private and then just fill out the form with my team when I go in for check ups and then tricare sends me extra meds lmao.
    [/quote]

    Yeah I have realized this the more I go. I’m not going to count on VA healthcare for long, only until I complete my degree and get a plan with an employer.

    [quote=“Phal” pid=‘49644’ dateline=‘1555772554’]
    We have to be worried about fertility issues from just test alone? I know tren can cause fertility issues, but why would lose dose test be an issue
    [/quote]

    Any exogenous hormones can affect fertility - the thing is there is no cookie-cutter answer. The impact on fertility from AAS varies hugely from person to person. I have read of people running 150mg cyp/week for TRT with hCG and have ended up permanently infertile. I have also read of bodybuilders knocking up their S/O on a gram of test and 500mg tren/week. No way to tell apart from a semen analysis!

  • To anyone interested, I received the results from my labs I had done on Friday (May 3rd), a little over 5 weeks after discontinuing test. I have been using hCG @ 500IU EOD, and just switched over a couple days ago to 20mg ED of Nolvadex.

    [b][u] Results: https://imgur.com/13DZSHX [/u][/b]

    As you can imagine, I am more than happy at my test levels, both free and total. Hoping that it will continue to remain that high throughout the next 5 weeks of Nolva and onwards. Just gotta pray that the Nolva will get LH/FSH back up. I will be getting another round of labs and will post them here as well.

    I hope this has given someone some hope that your body can recover if you allow it to! I will answer any questions if anyone has any.

  • Id love to hear more about your prolactin sides OP.

  • [quote=“Boogieorbust” pid=‘52313’ dateline=‘1557445873’]
    Id love to hear more about your prolactin sides OP.
    [/quote]

    Prolactin sides? I have none. I have been taking Caber 2x/week at 0.25mg to mitigate any potential sides, but even on high dose NPP/tren I had no prolactin issues.

  • Pituitary will almost always recover. It’s the testicles that have a tendancy not to. Prolonged suppression causes structural changes in the testes. Healthy tissue getting replaced by fibrotic tissue.

    You’ll probably recover in time given your age, but the test willl be artificially elevated as long as you’re on serms. Likely to plummet as soon as you go off.

    Don’t get discouraged though. It’s better to tough it out until it gets better than to be dependant on a needle from the age of 25…

  • [quote=“harry888” pid=‘52360’ dateline=‘1557474425’]
    Pituitary will almost always recover. It’s the testicles that have a tendancy not to. Prolonged suppression causes structural changes in the testes. Healthy tissue getting replaced by fibrotic tissue.

    You’ll probably recover in time given your age, but the test willl be artificially elevated as long as you’re on serms. Likely to plummet as soon as you go off.

    Don’t get discouraged though. It’s better to tough it out until it gets better than to be dependant on a needle from the age of 25…
    [/quote]

    I figured my test will take a drop after coming off everything, but those results were from hCG alone. The hCG will still cause a high reading but I was more happy about the fact my nads are structurally still sound/capable.

    I agree though, it’s a good feeling not having to worry about 2 shots a week forever.

  • [quote=“street_grade” pid=‘49386’ dateline=‘1555605983’]
    Hey all,

    Just want to shed some light and give some information to those that may be young and jumped the gun on TRT (my case), or those who may just be considering coming off of TRT/HRT.

    A little bit of background: 24ish at the time, I assumed I had low T based on “webMD” symptoms. After being out of the military for 6 months, I still had low energy and difficulty getting true restful sleep. I got my own blood panel done, with my total T coming back at 477. The rest of my numbers looked about right. Now here is where I jumped the gun, as many of you could guess. I immediately googled T ranges, blah blah blah… Instead of seeing someone about improving my sleep, or a nutritionist, I immediately scheduled an appointment with a urologist, albeit a very reputable one.

    Fast forward a little bit: I have been running large doses of test for a little over a year, at a minimum of 200mg cyp/week. I was planning on competing (aren’t we all) and was running other compounds, namely NPP and dbol. I have also been on hCG the entire time at 500IU EOD, and adex at 2mg/week (adjusted as needed).

    My lab results from 2 panels done can be seen here: https://imgur.com/a/3bGv1un

    After a year of being on TRT, I have decided to come off, and see how my body restores homeostasis. My “PCT” will consist of basically a 2-step process:

    1. 5 weeks of hCG @ 500 IU EOD. Adex @ 0.5mg 2x/week. Caber @ 0.25mg 2x/week. Cialis as needed. Trying to get the nuts going again here. Continuing adex to try and create negative feedback loop to pituitary.
      1a) After 5 weeks, get blood panel done to see if LH/FSH is high. If so proceed to step 2 - nuts are back online.
      1b) LH/FSH is low/non-existent. Nuts are non-functional; proceed back to TRT.

    2. 5 weeks of Nolva @ 20mg ED. Caber @ 0.25mg 2x/week. Getting pituitary back in the game. Blood panel to see how levels are.

    I am pretty optimistic. It will be 3 weeks tomorrow (4/19) that I have been off of test cyp, and to be completely transparent I am seeing little to no withdrawal. Minor issues with staying hard, but that’s expected. Cialis does the trick.

    I will monitor this post and answer any questions, as well as provide the results of my bloodwork in another 2 weeks.

    Thanks for giving this a read!
    [/quote]

    why not aromasin instead doesn’t adex react with Nolvadex and hcg in a negative way?

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