Rate this stack - a buddy's stack.

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  • A buddy of mine decided to use that steroid calc and has found a pretty good program.

    Test E 125 2x a week.
    Test P - 25-35 ED OR EOD.
    Deca Durabolin - 150mg 2x a week.
    Masteron E 200mg 2x a week.
    Dbol 1 pill a day PWO or near waking up if it’s a rest day.
    1 Aromasin a week.
    And .25 Adex a week 3-4 days after the Aromasin.

  • The half life of dbol is very short so if he’s using it preworkout I wouldn’t take it on rest days or spit the dose into thirds throughout the day. Also with deca make sure he has some p5p and caber on hand just in case. Also if it were me I would use npp instead of deca and pin it ed in the same syringe with prop

    Also I’d edit in some of your buddy’s goals, experience, length of cycle, etc. that info will really help. I hope he’s ready to pin 8 different sites and rotate a lot. I have delts, quads, glutes, vg, pecs in the rotation for my next cycle and am thinking of opening up lats. The more places the better. Good luck to him

  • [quote=“alphaproject” pid=‘52601’ dateline=‘1557654115’]
    A buddy of mine decided to use that steroid calc and has found a pretty good program.

    Test E 125 2x a week.
    Test P - 25-35 ED OR EOD.
    Deca Durabolin - 150mg 2x a week.
    Masteron E 200mg 2x a week.
    Dbol 1 pill a day PWO or near waking up if it’s a rest day.
    1 Aromasin a week.
    And .25 Adex a week 3-4 days after the Aromasin.
    [/quote]

    I like it - sensible dosages and gives you tons of room to titrate up as needed and still be taking sensible dosages while doing it … however I really don’t like planned AI. Have them on hand to use if needed. Estro is good for you up to medium high levels unless you are trying to be as dry as possible for a show. It supports a better hdl / ldl ratio , enhances muscular growth , and can even be supportive of fat loss. Most guys don’t understand their own chemistry , take what they read in the forums (mostly not based in science ) as law and think estro is the enemy. It’s not. I also don’t necessarily understand the need for the prop? He can always front load the test E if he wants to get his blood levels up faster.

  • [quote=“alphaproject” pid=‘52601’ dateline=‘1557654115’]
    A buddy of mine decided to use that steroid calc and has found a pretty good program.

    Test E 125 2x a week.
    Test P - 25-35 ED OR EOD.
    Deca Durabolin - 150mg 2x a week.
    Masteron E 200mg 2x a week.
    Dbol 1 pill a day PWO or near waking up if it’s a rest day.
    1 Aromasin a week.
    And .25 Adex a week 3-4 days after the Aromasin.
    [/quote]

    The oils are fine. Though, running two different esters of Test is pretty unusual. I mean, it works, and I do it, but it is still a bit odd to run Test E and Test P - most people just choose one or the other to blast with.

    Deca and Mast are fine.

    Dbol and Aromasin it depends on the dosage. If the dosages are what I expect them to be (25mg for Dbol and 12.5mg for Aromasin), then the Dbol is fine but the Aromasin idk.

    With Aromasin and Adex, they serve the same function for us; so why take two different ones? It just makes it more complicated to balance your Estrogen. If he wants to risk it, he is free to try it, just have him get bloodwork after 4-5 weeks (bloodwork costs $50-100) to get his E2 values, and adjust appropriately.

  • Too much AI for me. I’d personally start with arimidex only, 0.25mg day of test E pin and adjust from there.
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    [quote=“DNPstoney” pid=‘52633’ dateline=‘1557674218’]
    [quote=“alphaproject” pid=‘52601’ dateline=‘1557654115’]
    A buddy of mine decided to use that steroid calc and has found a pretty good program.

    Test E 125 2x a week.
    Test P - 25-35 ED OR EOD.
    Deca Durabolin - 150mg 2x a week.
    Masteron E 200mg 2x a week.
    Dbol 1 pill a day PWO or near waking up if it’s a rest day.
    1 Aromasin a week.
    And .25 Adex a week 3-4 days after the Aromasin.
    [/quote]

    The oils are fine. Though, running two different esters of Test is pretty unusual. I mean, it works, and I do it, but it is still a bit odd to run Test E and Test P - most people just choose one or the other to blast with.

    Deca and Mast are fine.

    Dbol and Aromasin it depends on the dosage. If the dosages are what I expect them to be (25mg for Dbol and 12.5mg for Aromasin), then the Dbol is fine but the Aromasin idk.

    With Aromasin and Adex, they serve the same function for us; so why take two different ones? It just makes it more complicated to balance your Estrogen. If he wants to risk it, he is free to try it, just have him get bloodwork after 4-5 weeks (bloodwork costs $50-100) to get his E2 values, and adjust appropriately.
    [/quote]

    Better yet, have him order from someone on here who offers bloodwork credit, ge a full panel and have free bloodwork.

  • Well, sometimes he says the AI is just there in case. He doesn’t always use it religiously like some guys on a huge blast. The adex and aromasin can easily just be switched as he has both. I’ve read Aromasin is the more powerful pill but you need less arimidex… if that’s true. Plus no rebound.

    On the calculator by Mixing Test E you have a baseline, then the Prop acts more so as a PWO or low enough dose that it just maintains a higher concentration. I’ve looked at the calculations and they are so much different than if you boost just the Test E vs mixing up the Test P. Plus the low dose Prop is to avoid PIP. As far as not taking a dbol on rest days isn’t it repairing muscle? I believe he only runs dbol for a month at a time, then takes a break.

    I personally used to be able to handle .25 adex twice a week but if I took 2x Aromasin I had issues yet I’ve hear some guys that must aromatize like crazy take upwards of 12.5mg of Aromasin EOD… which blows my mind.

    As far as the Deca, he is using that version simply because he had a vial left over but also has NPP but I’m sure he will switch to that after the Deca is gone.

  • [quote=“alphaproject” pid=‘52716’ dateline=‘1557732989’]

    On the calculator by Mixing Test E you have a baseline, then the Prop acts more so as a PWO or low enough dose that it just maintains a higher concentration. I’ve looked at the calculations and they are so much different than if you boost just the Test E vs mixing up the Test P. Plus the low dose Prop is to avoid PIP. As far as not taking a dbol on rest days isn’t it repairing muscle? I believe he only runs dbol for a month at a time, then takes a break.

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    So, he probably isn’t going to feel much if he is taking Test P pre-workout. He would be better off picking up some Test no ester and use that as a PWO - multiple sources here carry it. There isn’t anything wrong with him running Test P pre-workout, but you wouldn’t get near the PWO boost you would get from TNE.

    You should take Dbol on rest days. I think what the other person was saying is that Dbol has a short half life so it should be taken at the same time every day; even 6-12 hour variances will make a difference since the half life is so short. So if you are taking it PWO at 6PM on Gym days and when waking up at 6AM on rest days, you are going to have more fluctuations then if you took it just at 6 PM everyday.

  • Yea good point. I personally take it PWO around 5:30pm and hit the gym around 6pm.

  • [quote=“alphaproject” pid=‘52725’ dateline=‘1557746527’]
    Yea good point. I personally take it PWO around 5:30pm and hit the gym around 6pm.
    [/quote]

    Prop doesn’t work that fast lmao. You claim you know so much about steroids, more so than @“Jacked”, @“Fatbricks” or myself but you think prop will give a preworkout boost if taken pre? C’mon dude.

  • [quote=“FusionLabs” pid=‘52610’ dateline=‘1557664230’]
    [quote=“alphaproject” pid=‘52601’ dateline=‘1557654115’]
    A buddy of mine decided to use that steroid calc and has found a pretty good program.

    Test E 125 2x a week.
    Test P - 25-35 ED OR EOD.
    Deca Durabolin - 150mg 2x a week.
    Masteron E 200mg 2x a week.
    Dbol 1 pill a day PWO or near waking up if it’s a rest day.
    1 Aromasin a week.
    And .25 Adex a week 3-4 days after the Aromasin.
    [/quote]

    I like it - sensible dosages and gives you tons of room to titrate up as needed and still be taking sensible dosages while doing it … however I really don’t like planned AI. Have them on hand to use if needed. Estro is good for you up to medium high levels unless you are trying to be as dry as possible for a show. It supports a better hdl / ldl ratio , enhances muscular growth , and can even be supportive of fat loss. Most guys don’t understand their own chemistry , take what they read in the forums (mostly not based in science ) as law and think estro is the enemy. It’s not. I also don’t necessarily understand the need for the prop? He can always front load the test E if he wants to get his blood levels up faster.
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    if your taking hcg that protocol would probably work because it raises your rest by like 70%

  • [quote=“yelruP” pid=‘52727’ dateline=‘1557747435’]
    [quote=“alphaproject” pid=‘52725’ dateline=‘1557746527’]
    Yea good point. I personally take it PWO around 5:30pm and hit the gym around 6pm.
    [/quote]

    Prop doesn’t work that fast lmao. You claim you know so much about steroids, more so than @“Jacked”, @“Fatbricks” or myself but you think prop will give a preworkout boost if taken pre? C’mon dude.
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    I wish the mods would ban his stupid ass for posting so much misinformation. I’ve literally called him out on at least 10 dumb ass things hes said outside of his bitching about pippy and he just carries on oblivious to the world he lives in.

    Just block his ability to post and be done with it. He adds nothing of value to this website, all he does is detract from it.

  • [quote=“Jacked” pid=‘52739’ dateline=‘1557754192’]
    [quote=“yelruP” pid=‘52727’ dateline=‘1557747435’]
    [quote=“alphaproject” pid=‘52725’ dateline=‘1557746527’]
    Yea good point. I personally take it PWO around 5:30pm and hit the gym around 6pm.
    [/quote]

    Prop doesn’t work that fast lmao. You claim you know so much about steroids, more so than @“Jacked”, @“Fatbricks” or myself but you think prop will give a preworkout boost if taken pre? C’mon dude.
    [/quote]

    I wish the mods would ban his stupid ass for posting so much misinformation. I’ve literally called him out on at least 10 dumb ass things hes said outside of his bitching about pippy and he just carries on oblivious to the world he lives in.

    Just block his ability to post and be done with it. He adds nothing of value to this website, all he does is detract from it.
    [/quote]

    Well we shouldn’t castigate one another. Educate where you can and hopefully they will do the responsible thing and actually research for themselves (research does not mean googling steroid forums) and then pass that on to the next guy who asks for help.

  • What purpose does pretending your “buddy” made this up serve?

  • [quote=“kingofcarbz” pid=‘52776’ dateline=‘1557774295’]
    What purpose does pretending your “buddy” made this up serve?
    [/quote]

    Keep people like me from telling him what a dumbass he is, he can just shift blame to his buddy.

  • [quote=“yelruP” pid=‘52727’ dateline=‘1557747435’]
    [quote=“alphaproject” pid=‘52725’ dateline=‘1557746527’]
    Yea good point. I personally take it PWO around 5:30pm and hit the gym around 6pm.
    [/quote]

    Prop doesn’t work that fast lmao. You claim you know so much about steroids, more so than @“Jacked”, @“Fatbricks” or myself but you think prop will give a preworkout boost if taken pre? C’mon dude.
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    ROTFL… hijacking another thread I see. I said I take DBOL PWO… no one said taking Prop 30 minutes PWO does anything. Where did you come up with that anyways? And Jacked, please just ban yourself from my threads. You think with all my “pip” talk this is my stack? Wow you guys… speechless. Yea I pin all week long… every day, 8 different spots. You claim to think I’m spreading misinformation when in fact the lab guy (Fusion Labs) not just a forum scrub said it’s not a bad stack. But make up more stories.

    And please find the quote where I said I know more than fathead and his cronies? Oh right it doesn’t exist because I stay out of his forum posts but oh you sure jump in mine… I thought you ignored me?

  • A buddy’s stack… I know you’re maybe attempting to keep people from criticizing you but I’ve watched you reply to literally every thread possible certain nights since you’ve joined and say quite a few things that suggest that you’re new to all of this. Try to do more reading than writing for a bit until you have a better knowledge base. Keep in mind this is not to make you feel stupid or put you down, I’m just trying to give you some tips for getting out of the spotlight.

  • [quote=“alphaproject” pid=‘52716’ dateline=‘1557732989’]
    Well, sometimes he says the AI is just there in case. He doesn’t always use it religiously like some guys on a huge blast. The adex and aromasin can easily just be switched as he has both. I’ve read Aromasin is the more powerful pill but you need less arimidex… if that’s true. Plus no rebound.

    On the calculator by Mixing Test E you have a baseline, then the Prop acts more so as a PWO or low enough dose that it just maintains a higher concentration. I’ve looked at the calculations and they are so much different than if you boost just the Test E vs mixing up the Test P. Plus the low dose Prop is to avoid PIP. As far as not taking a dbol on rest days isn’t it repairing muscle? I believe he only runs dbol for a month at a time, then takes a break.

    I personally used to be able to handle .25 adex twice a week but if I took 2x Aromasin I had issues yet I’ve hear some guys that must aromatize like crazy take upwards of 12.5mg of Aromasin EOD… which blows my mind.

    As far as the Deca, he is using that version simply because he had a vial left over but also has NPP but I’m sure he will switch to that after the Deca is gone.
    [/quote]

    Hey @“alphaproject” here you go! The prop acts more as a PWO!!

    We’re not the only ones who see the patterns of your posts, just look at some of the comments here. I’m trying not to be rude but you do this to yourself. Instead of pretending like you know so much just ask questions and stop suggesting that everyone besides you is dumb.

    The stack is fine. I am just pointing out the “prop as preworkout” because it doesn’t work like that. I’m just sick of seeing you post misinformation and then acting like this is your “buddy’s” stack, as several other people have pointed out.

  • Oh I read tons of threads when I 'm bored and do not write anything because of how absurd things get but no one calls those people out. When someone comes into my thread and misquotes me, of course I’m going to defend myself. And yes, my buddy is the one who got me using TRT in the first place. I was here a long time before posting ANYTHING… And I don’t care if I’m in the spotlight or not… But how can guys call me out and call me pip but then turn around and say I pin every day… that literally makes ZERO sense.

    My current stack is much more simple.

    I have similar compounds but since the pip incident I have to mix my oils together creating a much harder to specify down to the TEE how much I’m getting as sometimes I mess up the mixture.

    So I take Test E - but unless it’s TE-250, I mix TE-400 into masteron E. I try to get a 1:1 ratio but it’s not always precise.
    I try to hit 375 Test E every 7 days. 250 every 5 days wasn’t cutting it for me.
    300-400 Masteron E
    Deca 300 a week.
    HCG 3x a week.
    TB-500 2x a week
    I have 1 more dose of Hexarelin.
    Just ordered more 2 x BPC-157 5mg.

    Yes they are similar but I started my cycle before I even knew about that steroidcalc.

    The reason I asked about the cycle was because he plotted his cycle out on the calculator FIRST. He was already on TRT at 250 a week. That’s all he was doing so to him, adding in these compounds was sort of a blast to him. He didn’t even want to take the Deca to be honest but that’s why I posted it. He thought maybe it would conflict with the Masteron. Dbol and Deca are both Wet and Mast is dry. So by asking members I was hoping to just get a simple answer not crucified as usual. Most of the comments were very helpful and made perfect sense until the typical Dbags came in.

    He is fine with Test Ace and Test P so yea that’s why he’s fine adding that in and when he showed me the graph I said wow it looks interesting and the peak/low test levels were far above what I was doing.

    For example.

    250 a week plus 30mg a day of test P - exceeds the value of 1 shot of 460. That’s really the whole point of what he was telling me and I was like, well…if I wanted to shoot every day that would suck but if I could… those levels blow mine away. The lows are what are the most interesting.
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    [quote=“yelruP” pid=‘52872’ dateline=‘1557812929’]
    [quote=“alphaproject” pid=‘52716’ dateline=‘1557732989’]
    Well, sometimes he says the AI is just there in case. He doesn’t always use it religiously like some guys on a huge blast. The adex and aromasin can easily just be switched as he has both. I’ve read Aromasin is the more powerful pill but you need less arimidex… if that’s true. Plus no rebound.

    On the calculator by Mixing Test E you have a baseline, then the Prop acts more so as a PWO or low enough dose that it just maintains a higher concentration. I’ve looked at the calculations and they are so much different than if you boost just the Test E vs mixing up the Test P. Plus the low dose Prop is to avoid PIP. As far as not taking a dbol on rest days isn’t it repairing muscle? I believe he only runs dbol for a month at a time, then takes a break.

    I personally used to be able to handle .25 adex twice a week but if I took 2x Aromasin I had issues yet I’ve hear some guys that must aromatize like crazy take upwards of 12.5mg of Aromasin EOD… which blows my mind.

    As far as the Deca, he is using that version simply because he had a vial left over but also has NPP but I’m sure he will switch to that after the Deca is gone.
    [/quote]

    Hey @“alphaproject” here you go! The prop acts more as a PWO!!

    We’re not the only ones who see the patterns of your posts, just look at some of the comments here. I’m trying not to be rude but you do this to yourself. Instead of pretending like you know so much just ask questions and stop suggesting that everyone besides you is dumb.

    The stack is fine. I am just pointing out the “prop as preworkout” because it doesn’t work like that. I’m just sick of seeing you post misinformation and then acting like this is your “buddy’s” stack, as several other people have pointed out.
    [/quote]

    Yes I said “it acts as a PWO” I didn’t say it was literally a preworkout drink or anything but it keeps your levels far above a normal Test E shot. I’ve seen regular members on here say they take Prop on workout days only… I don’t write the book on this shit. Everything I’ve ever written I’ve read somewhere whether or not it’s true. As much truth as you will read, there is just as much BS as you will read. When I said it acts like a PWO it’s only because your test levels are non-stop stable… that’s it. Taking Dbol preworkout is actually literally a PWO… yes… and I won’t take it back or re-word THAT… I have taken many orals PWO including Anavar and Tbombs. I don’t actually nor have ever taken a Prop shot right before the gym because… as you well know… I usually have some pain from them… LOL… yes, it’s hilarious.

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